Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Photo: Forcing Palestinians of any age to strip at Israeli checkpoints is a daily occurrence.
 

The Israel right or wrong discussion continues .... but I suspect this was, and should be, the last of it.


My Israel  right or wrong supporter wrote: there was never such a country as "Palestine."

Can you explain to me then why the UN mandated to divide a country called Palestine if it did not exist? It's all historical record - quite clear - the partition of Palestine, this country you say did not exist. And the Romans referred to Palestine, as did the ancient Egyptians - we're going back 3,000BC and yet you say it did not exist.

Do you think that in this instance the world's historians might just be right and what you have been told is wrong and might be Israeli propaganda? Or do you count your knowledge base as greater and hold that the UN when they partitioned Palestine had it wrong and they were not partitioning Palestine because it did not exist?

You said: The real Palestine, if you look at original sources, is actually another name for the country of Jordan.

No it isn't. Jordan was founded in 1922. The country called Palestine which had existed for millenia was partitioned in 1947. It was called the partition of Palestine by the UN - not the partition of Jordan.

You said: Israel came into being when Israeli Jews declared independence from the United Kingdom, which was controlling the area.

Wrong again. Religions don't get to declare independence because they don't have land rights or homelands. By your criteria the Mexican Catholics in California could declare independence because California was once Mexican. Actually they have a better case than Israelis.

But of course they can't because religions do not constitute a people or a race. There were no Israeli Jews by the way to declare independence. The British were certainly the colonial rulers of Palestine - you are right - and amongst those Palestinians there were followers of Judaism but they were a minority. Many of those Palestinian Jews were happy to remain Palestinian and they most certainly never declared independence - they couldn't.

The foundation of a State called Israel was sourced in the Zionists, an organisation set up by Theodor Herzl in 1893, who made the first call for a theocratic, Jewish state. Many Jews opposed Zionism and the call for a religious State. And some still do.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/herzl/index.cfm

You said: Israeli Arabs didn't try to form an independent state until much, much later.
I think you mean Palestinians did not try to form an independent state until much later. Actually they had a country they did not have a state. They were independent until the Zionist armies invaded and, just like Germany, which was a country but not a state until the beginning of last century, they had all the rights of a nation. The drive for independence only exists because they are occupied. If Israel did not occupy Palestine beyond the UN mandated borders it would not be an issue. The Palestinians could have their country and decide upon Statehood when they were ready. I am sure you appreciate that the nation State as a concept is historically recent.

There are no Israeli Arabs per se: unless you want to refer to the colonists as Israeli Europeans, which most are, or Israeli Africans, which a few are.

Those Palestinians who were not killed or driven out and who remained in the original area of the UN mandate and the extra land occupied as a part of Israel's war to establish its State were allowed to remain and given Israeli citizenship. They see themselves as Israelis of Palestinian heritage.

You said: Also, expulsion of Palestinians didn't occur until after neighboring Arab states refused to acknowledge Israel as a legitimate state and attacked the newly-formed country.

Now you really do have this completely wrong. The Zionists had terrorist groups operating in British occupied Palestine as early as 1937, ten years before partition. They attacked both Palestinians, non-jewish of course, just Christians and Muslims, and the British.

Thousands of Palestinians were massacred by the invading Zionist armies following partition and hundreds of villages were destroyed. Many of these destroyed villages are now 'recreational areas' or 'forests' established to hide the evidence.

Deir Yassin is the most infamous massacre and tastelessly, Yad Vashem has been build on land which was once a part of the village of Deir yassin.

On April 9, 1948, members of the underground Jewish terrorist group, the Irgun, or IZL, led by Menachem Begin, who was to become the Israeli prime minister in 1977, entered the peaceful Arab village of Deir Yassin, massacred 250 men, women, children and the elderly, and stuffed many of the bodies down wells. There were also reports of rapes and mutilations.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/05/13/the-deir-yassin-massacre/
www.jewsagainstzionism.com

 
There may be little point in posting this information but I happen to believe countering untruths is important. I think what surprises me is how wrong so much of your information is.

For example, in the decade before partition:

August 20, 1937 - June 29, 1939. During this period, the Zionists carried out a series of attacks against Arab buses, resulting in the death of 24 persons and wounding 25 others.

November 25, 1940. S.S.Patria was blown up by Jewish terrorists in Haifa harbour, killing 268 illegal Jewish immigrants (see below).

November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.

July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central offices of the civilian administration of the government of Palestine, killing or injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun officially claimed responsibility for the incident, but subsequent evidence indicated that both the Haganah and the Jewish Agency were involved.

October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.

June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.

And in the years following:

September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)

December 11, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 13,1947. Zionist terrorists, believed to be members of Irgun Zvai Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda areas. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown in an Arab market-place near the Damascus Gate; in Jaffa, bombs were thrown into an Arab cafe; in the Arab village of Al Abbasya, near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack with mortars and automatic weapons.

December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.

December 30,1947. A mixed force of the Zionist Palmach and the "Carmel Brigade" attacked the village of Balad al Sheikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.

1947 -- 1948. Over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were uprooted from their homes and land, and forced to live in refugee camps on Israel's borders. They have been denied the right to return to their homes. They have been refused compensation for their homes, orchards, farms and other property stolen from them by the Israeli government. After their expulsion, the "Israeli Forces" totally obliterated (usually by bulldozing) 385 Arab villages and towns, out of a total of 475. Commonly, Israeli villages were built on the remaining rubble.

January 1, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked a village on the slopes of Mount Carmel; 17 Arabs were killed and 33 wounded.

You said: #2, Palestinians have the same legal rights IN ISRAEL as do Israeli Jews.

You could not be more wrong.

There are more than 30 laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel. directly or indirectly, based solely on their ethnicity, rendering them second or third class citizens in their own homeland.
93% of the land in Israel is owned either by the state or by quasi-governmental agencies, such as the Jewish National Fund, that discriminate against non-Jews. Palestinian citizens of Israel face significant legal obstacles in gaining access to this land for agriculture, residence, or commercial development.

More than seventy Palestinian villages and communities in Israel, some of which pre-date the establishment of the state, are unrecognized by the government, receive no services, and are not even listed on official maps. Many other towns with a majority Palestinian population lack basic services and receive significantly less government funding than do majority-Jewish towns.

http://warincontext.org/2011/09/29/discrimination-against-palestinian-citizens-of-israel/

You said: what about a speech by Ahmadinejad where he goads the crowd into chanting "Death to Israel" is propaganda being fed to Americans? It seems more like irrefutable fact of Iran's hatred of Israel to me.

I can't see a link to this speech but what I would say is that there are extremists on all sides and at all times. If Ahmadinejad did this it is as bad as Israeli MP's calling Palestinians vermin - or Israeli leaders and rabbis calling 'Death to Arabs.' By all means condemn such things but condemn on all fronts, not selectively.

In 1982, in a speech to the Knesset, Prime Minister Menachem Begin said, “The Palestinians are beasts walking on two legs.”

http://gutterpoetry.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/israeli-leaders-love-to-call-palestinians-arabs-dirty-names/

And Israeli rabbis call for 'death camps for Palestinians.' By the way, this comment was published in the Israeli YNet news as well.

http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk/news/middle-east/1959-israeli-rabbis-call-for-creation-of-death-camps-for-palestinians

There are Muslim extremists and there are Jewish extremists.

Jewish Extremists Threaten Christians, Muslims at Jerusalem Peace School
Vandals Reportedly Write 'Death to Christians,' 'Holocaust for Arabs' at Two Faith Sites.

http://global.christianpost.com/news/jewish-extremists-threaten-christians-muslims-at-jerusalem-peace-school-69393/

You said: I have studied the topic, quite thoroughly actually.

I am sure you have been thorough but from what you say it is clear you have been selective.

You said: I have been interested in the situation in Israel for a long time, and have recently been taking a class about Israel.

I can only ask who is giving this class and who is funding this class and where is this class being given.

You said: I have arrived at my opinion, and I see no reason to change it.

And that is fair enough as long as you can state with certainty that you have accessed information across the spectrum - from that given out by Palestinians to that from Israelis - information from Fundamentalist Christians who support Israel right or wrong to Muslims who support Palestinians right or wrong - and then to historians from around the world, peace and human rights groups from around the world, UN resolutions and reports and well, given the importance of this, as much information as you can get from anywhere.

When you can state you have done this then there is no reason to change your opinion for it is one sourced in balanced and extensive research.

You said: Israel is the freest nation in the Middle East, despite constant threats from tyrannical neighbors.

You are repeating propaganda. And you did not answer me when I asked, how can a nation be a free nation when it holds people under occupation and continues to illegally colonise their land? How can a nation be free when it wants to be a theocracy - a religious nation which gives superior rights to followers of one religion.

You said: If you are protesting because of human rights violations,

No, I protest purely from the point of justice. I oppose Israel's occupation and colonisation of Palestine in the same way I oppose China's occupation and colonisation of Tibet. The difference is that Israel claims to be a democracy and China does not. Therefore Israel is judged by the behaviour of all other democracies and fails badly.

You said: you would probably do well to change your focus to Iran or Pakistan, where women are frequently stoned or burned for crimes against Islamic law, where Christian churches are destroyed and where being Christian is a capital offense.

I also focus on those injustices. I am actually capable of focussing on more than one instance of injustice. Israel is one of the worst but merely one of many.

And you might do well to do what Israel 'right or wrong' supporters refuse to do, compare Israel to other democracies in the world and not to the non-democratic and the worst of tyrannies. No doubt this comparison is never made because you know Israel would look as bad as it really is.

You said: Believe me, Israel is not the problem in the Middle East."


Why would anyone believe you when you make statements which indicate a substantial lack of historical and contemporary knowledge.

warincontext.org


Israel has been described as the top threat to world peace, ahead of North Korea, Afghanistan and Iran, by an unpublished European Commission poll of 7,500 Europeans, sparking an international row.

I do believe that this issue is the greatest threat to world peace at this time and needs to be better understood, particularly by Americans who despite their own unemployment and poverty levels pour billions of dollars into Israel to keep it afloat and who are seen, by the world at large, to be a party to Israel's human rights abuses and war crimes.

You can support anyone or anything you like but you have to be sure it is worth it and that you agree with that which you support. Increasingly American Jews do not support Israel and Jews worldwide increasingly see Israel as not just giving Judaism a bad name but as endangering them.

So we can leave it here and agree to disagree. I wish you well in your journey through life, wherever it may take you.



Sunday, February 26, 2012

A continuing conversation on why American ignorance about Israel is dangerous....



To be fair I understand that many Americans live in something akin to a religious bubble. They are home-schooled as children and therefore prevented from interacting with children other than those which belong to the same religious community and family and then they go to religious colleges or universities where they mix with the same sort of people and their indoctrination (brain-washing in essence) continues.

And that is why the internet is so important. Despite the pressure of community, family, religion or education system to conform it is possible to 'meet' people who are other and who think differently. This is as important for an Indian say, trapped within the caste system as it is for an American trapped within a religious system. More important in fact because American military power represents the greatest danger to world peace and the use of that power is sourced in the power of the American people.

When Ignorance and bigotry, and fundamentalist religion in the US is deeply immersed in prejudice and bigotry, is behind such power then Aggression becomes dangerous indeed.

There will be few who have the innate common sense and wisdom, mixed with enormous amounts of courage and determination, who will be able to break free. But asking questions is a good beginning.

You said: Yes, I believe that people have the right to live in freedom.

Then why do you not support freedom for Palestinians? The Palestinians live under occupation and continued colonisation - the UN, human rights groups and international law all say that is wrong. If you believe in freedom then you have to say it is wrong also.

You said: Do you?

Absolutely but I believe in freedom for everyone, not selectively. The Palestinians either get their own state by Israel negotiating legitimate borders for itself or Israel does what the US and other colonisers have done and creates one state with equal rights for all regardless of religion.

If you believe in freedom as you say then you would support what I support.

You said: Because if you do, you should stop disparaging the only free nation in the Middle East.

I am not disparaging Israel, I, like many Israelis and those who believe in justice am simply telling the truth about it. And it is not the only free nation in the Middle East - it is a theocracy because it is a religious state which discriminates on the basis of religion. It also maintains one of the most murderous and vicious occupations in modern history.

How can Israel be a free nation when only followers of Judaism have full rights? Or do you believe that Apartheid South Africa was a free nation, that Chinese occupied Tibet is a free nation?

In terms of freedom there is far more freedom and justice in Lebanon - more of a democracy than Israel - than there is in Israel.

You said: If you look up freedom measurement databases such as Freedom House or Polity IV, you will see that every single Muslim country in the Middle East is described as a dictatorship--oppressive of its citizens and their God-given freedoms.

Yes, but what about Lebanon? That is in the Middle East and it isn't a Muslim country as in an Islamic theocracy, and it doesn't occupy, colonise or have separate roads for separate religions.

And don't you think it is disingenuous to compare Israel, which claims to be a democracy, to non-democratic nations? That's like saying the US is not as bad as China while still trying to claim the moral high road.

Israel is judged by me and others by the standard it has set itself. As a democracy it is an utter failure. Compare it to all other democracies and Israel appears as the tyranny that it is. While it is true the US also occupies other nations illegally and immorally and seeks to colonise economically, it does not seek to colonise and dispossess in material terms as Israel does. As a democracy, compared to democracies Israel is an utter failure. As a tyranny, compared to other tyrannies it is amongst the worst but perhaps not the worst.


You said: Israel stands out like a sore thumb as the ONLY democracy in the region,

So you believe that one can be a democracy while refusing full rights to all citizens?

You said: the ONLY state that guarantees freedom and equal protection under the law to its citizens,

Read Gush Shalom, B'Tselem, Peace Now if you want to know the real truth about what Israel says it is as part of its propaganda and what it really is.

You said: the ONLY state that guarantees freedom of religion.

Then why are christian and Islamic sacred places consistently destroyed? Why are Christians not allowed to build churches wherever they please? Why are Muslims not allowed to build new mosques? They can in other democracies why not Israel.

And if there is freedom of religion why do followers of Judaism get superior rights and why do Israeli ministers frequently talk about cleansing Israel of non-Jews? I don't know where you get your information but it has nothing to do with the reality which is Israel. Fox News perhaps but that is one of the world's biggest propaganda news sites which would explain your errors.

You said: Although there probably are some Israelis that are anti-Arab

Have you been to Israel? I have, more than once and the racism permeates the society like a disease. Again, read Israeli human rights and peace groups - read Haaretz the Israeli newspaper and you will soon find the depth of Israeli anti-Arab and anti-Palestinian bigotry.

You said:(there are unfortunately racists in every society), and although there are undoubtedly civilian casualties as a result of the war being fought between radical Islamist terrorists and the state of Israel,

How casually we can dismiss the deaths of those deemed 'other.' The war of which you speak is a war of resistance against colonisation. No different to the war the American Indians fought against their colonisers. The fighters in this war are not radical Islamic terrorists but Palestinian freedom fighters - who, if you mean what you say in supporting freedom, you should be supporting. I refer you again to Gush Shalom, B'Tselem, Peace Now and Haaretz - all Israeli.

You said: Palestinians in Israel are freer in the Jewish state than they would be, or are, in Muslim states. Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan all deny citizenship to the Palestinians living within their borders. Polls show that 82% of Arab Israelis would prefer to live in Israel over any Muslim country in the world.

Have you been to Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine or Israel? If you had you could not say what you say. Then again if you were on an Israeli organised propaganda tour you could.

The Palestinian refugees who live in other countries do sometimes become citizens but most wait to return to their homes in Occupied Palestine and what is called Israel. Many have keys to their homes which have been in their family for hundreds of years.

You might like to post a link to your poll on Arab Israelis. I suspect most of them would fall about laughing. Again, read the Israeli Human Rights Groups and access something other than Israeli propaganda.

And how do you explain, given how terrible life supposedly is outside of Israel why hundreds of thousands of Iranian Jews consistently refuse pleas from Israel to emigrate, preferring to remain in Iran?

You said: And here's another question: if "Jewish" is not an ethnic group, how is it possible that there are secular Jews?

There aren't secular Jews. Judaism considers such terminology ridiculous. You can be a lapsed Jew just as you can be a lapsed Catholic but you are either Jewish, whether practising or not, or you are not. My great-grandfather dropped Judaism so I am not Jewish - his siblings who kept it have Jewish descendants.

If you drop a religion then you are no longer Jewish or Christian or Muslim. It's not a race, it's a religion. The reason why the term secular Jew has come into parlance is because Israelis and their supporters actually know that religions don't have homelands so they are trying to pretend that being Jewish is an ethnic group on the basis that race might count where religion doesn't.

The other reason for it is that Israel as a racist state, really does believe anyone who has Jewish ancestors is superior to Arabs so if you can find someone - I would have qualified - with one Jewish ancestor, back to great-great-grandparents, even if they are now atheists, then they count as Jews. This is why millions of Russians with one Jewish ancestor were able to emigrate to Israel without question to boost the numbers to counter the indigenous Palestinians.

You said: Why is Antisemitism, being anti-Jew, a type of racism?

'Anti-semitism' is an outdated term. The fact is that Arabs and Palestinians are Semites - some followers of Judaism had Semitic ancestors, most, because of conversion don't. Most Israelis are not of Semitic stock but European or American (which is mainly European).

Many of Germany's Jews were Semitic, hence the term anti-semitic arising from Nazi Germany. Russian, English, Indian, African, Greek, Italian and other Jews are largely not Semitic.

You said: The term "Jewish" refers to both people who practice Judaism AND the ethnic Jew descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Any scholar of Judaism or Near Eastern history will tell you this.

No, any scholar of Judaism or Near eastern history won't tell you this, only those with an agenda. Read Shlomo Sand and The Invention of the Jewish people - sorry, an Israeli again but I figure you may as well start with the people at the core of the problem.

The Abraham, Isaac and Jacob connection is religious dogma. It has no historical veracity nor any legal one - The Bible holds no weight in terms of content in any court of law>

It is true that Judaism as a religion talks about Jews as a people but this is common to many religions - in essence it is about seeing yourself as special, as chosen, as superior - utterly racist of course and bigoted and has no place in a modern, civilized world.

The casual way you talk about casualties prompted me to post one more link - which you probably may not access but I post it all the same.


You said: and although there are undoubtedly civilian casualties as a result of the war being fought.....

Do you really have no idea that nearly seven thousand Palestinians have been killed in this war so far compared to about 1,000 Israelis? But those figures are only for recent decades - the number of Palestinians killed since 1947 from the war waged by Zionist armies to establish Israel on Palestinian land until today is around 1.5million.

Remembering of course the Palestinians have died fighting for freedom from occupation and colonisation and Israelis have died fighting to maintain occupation and colonisation.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
If Americans Knew is dedicated to providing Americans with everything they need to know about Israel and Palestine.


I would say the fact that you keep asking questions means you are curious, at some level, to know more. And I admire you for that.

Knowledge is power and for Americans, given the fact that it is American money which keeps Israel afloat and which supports its occupation and colonisation and its attacks on its indigenous people and its neighbours then you should have a solid understanding of just what your money is paying for.

Understanding the reality of Israel will also help Americans to understand why America is so hated by so many and why the majority of people in the world consider the US and Israel to be the greatest threats to world peace today.

It will also help you to understand, why, if Israel does attack Iran, or the US does attack Iran, the world at large will blame you and not the Iranians and world rage will be directed at the US as well as Israel.


Friday, February 24, 2012

Does talking about anything make a difference?

Who can say but I guess if you don't say it then it definitely does not make a difference. I seem to spend a lot of time writing, or countering ignorance at work in the world - yes it is my astrological destiny which makes me feel less guilty.

I know that sounds pretentious but I would qualify that by saying I research often and widely on the subject of the Middle East and I have experienced the parlous state of America's propagandised and partisan news services enough to perceive egregious levels of ignorance in many Americans in regard to the world in general and the Middle East in particular. On a plus note, I also have a sense that more Americans are beginning to access their news information online from independent American news services and international sources.


The latest discussion has been with some Americans, many of whom, sadly seem all too keen on going to war with Iran. It beggars belief that they can believe what they believe but I have spent enough time in the US and watched enough of their 'news' - and I use the term news lightly and laughably - to understand why they are so ignorant and ill-informed about the Middle East in general and Israel and Iran in particular.

I just happen to believe, and I am talking about intelligent, educated people here who are rich enough to have access and time for the internet, if you are going to support war-mongering then you have to be pretty clear about why you are doing it and what the risks might be.

I never cease to be astonished at how easily and blithely some people support war! Particularly a war like this which could not be won and where nuclear weapons might be used. They must live in some fairyland, divorced from the real world, where they believe you can bomb and kill at will (clearly as many Israelis do) with no retribution!

Anyway, I spent time doing this earlier and while I suspect it landed on deaf ears it did make me feel better, no doubt satisfying the Cassandra archetype at work in me. Then again, no-one listened to her either but it did not stop her from speaking out.

So here is, probably pointless conversations with a few Americans who seem to think war with Iran is a good idea, with exceptions noted as existing on the thread, albeit in a minority:

Adrianne this is a very important discussion so the more people who participate the better.

You said: Not to insert myself into an argument, but Iranian leaders (particularly Ahmadinejad and the Ayatollah Khomenei) have stated repeatedly that one of their main goals is to destroy the state of Israel and have directly advocated for the extermination of the Jewish race.

Actually no they haven't. You have been told they have said this but they haven't. Your media has said they have said this but they haven't.

If you read articles from Iranian writers and articles by commentators - many of them American, but from around the world, including England, Australia, Russia, Europe, Israel etc., you will gain a better perspective and a true perspective and it will become clear that these accusations as to what Iran has stated are utterly untrue. There are a number of independent news services which provide more balanced information, many of them US based and Truthout, Common Dreams and Information Clearing House are just three.

The Israeli propaganda is sourced in a comment Ahmadinajad made some years ago where he said in essence: 'the Zionist entity would pass from the pages of history.' You can easily look up this quote and then easily find translations made by language scholars, many of them American, which will give you the accurate translation not the propaganda which the Israelis and their followers now spout.

You may not know it but there are many followers of Judaism and many Israelis who also wish the 'Zionist entity to pass from the pages of history.' Zionism is not Judaism and is actually a fundamentalist, racist ideology which is destroying Israel and giving Judaism a bad name.

You said:  We all know what happened last time the West ignored a dictator with a vitriolic hatred of Jews, so I think it would be best to take them at their word this time.

Iran is not Germany and has threatened and invaded no-one. It was the US which backed and supported Iraq's invasion of and war against Iran - Iran has attacked no-one for more than 100 years while Israel in its 60 year history has attacked numerous times.

Iran has not threatened another nation - Israel does nothing but threaten other nations, as does the US.

Iran is a large and powerful nation with a strong military. It has no nuclear weapons and it's people are an ancient, pragmatic people who, despite their own problems, are not hegemonic as Hitler was.

More to the point, Hitler's war was not against Jews - the suffering of followers of Judaism was a part of that war certainly, alongside the millions of Romanies or Gypsies who were killed for the same reason followers of Judaism were killed as well as millions of Poles (also considered inferior), homosexuals and political dissenters.

You said: Also, almost every major war between Israel and Arab states was either motivated by terror attacks against Israel or a direct attack by a group of Arab nations against Israel. The Six Day War and both the First and Second Intifadas are examples of this.

Wrong again. Do some research. You will find US and Israeli historians along with European, English, Middle Eastern who make a very, very clear case that all of these wars were instigated by Israel - and all are sourced in the illegal and immoral colonial war waged against palestine to create the state of Israel. Those which followed were also sourced in the ethnic cleansing which the Zionist army carried out against Palestine and Israel's continued occupation and colonisation of Palestine which denies human rights to the indigenous Palestinians.

One would also make the point that the Israelis use violence and terrorism to maintain their occupation of Palestine and the Palestinians use violence and have used terrorism to free themselves from occupation. The first is a war crime and the second, is a human right.

You said: Lastly, there is no apartheid in Israel. Apartheid is state-sponsored discrimination. Israel is the only state in the Mediterranean Middle-eastern region in which Palestinians have citizenship, hold positions in government and the military, and have access equal education.

Again, do some reading and start with Israeli historians and commentators. An apartheid state is one where there is separation between groups of people. In South Africa it was based on race - in Israel it is based on religion.

The Palestinians who were given Israeli citizenship are second class citizens. I would refer you to Israeli human rights and peace groups for the detailed information on this flouting of human rights. Non-Jewish Israelis get poorer education, health services and are prevented from the following - living anywhere they choose in Israel; building on to their homes or extending them; marrying Israelis; bringing parents, spouses, children from outside of Israel into Israel; working outside of Israel and then returning .....but you can find all this out for yourself.

As to apartheid - you may not call it that but the rest of the world does - those Palestinians who are held under occupation and who watch their country being illegally colonised are either imprisoned in Gaza which is a concentration camp or imprisoned in cantons or bantustans behind Israel's apartheid wall and behind checkpoints. There are Jew-only settlements and Jew-only roads and while Jews can travel where they want when they want the Palestinians can take hours to get to their fields, schools, jobs, or homes.

Israel's Apartheid Wall has been built on Palestinian land and it cuts people off from family, community, farms, friends - and you don't see that as apartheid.

And by the way, the mere use as you do here of the term Jew and Palestinian is a  part of the propaganda. Palestinians are a people and a nationality - Jews are followers of a religion. You can talk about Muslims and Jews or Palestinians and Israelis but not the other.

Most followers of Judaism, or Jews do not live in Israel but are instead citizens of hundreds of countries around the world - including Iran, where there are Jewish members of the Government.

The truly worrying thing for the world at large is the egregious level of ignorance amongst Americans in regard to Israel which stands, at this point in time as the source of one of our worst wars yet.

While Americans may swallow the lies, the rest of the world does not and if you do enough reading of the international press and the independent American press you will quickly find that Israel is seen as a pariah and a rogue state and with the US, the greatest threat to world peace today.

Angela, you raise very good points about the obsession with Iran when there is real genocide elsewhere in the world. In answer to your question Why? it is really pretty simple. If they had the sort of oil supplies in Sudan that they have in the Middle East that would be the focus.

As the saying goes: nations don't have friends they have interests and the US, no matter how altruistic it may believe itself to be is no different to all other nations - it is self-serving. It wants to look after itself and it wants to continue to believe it is the world power.

I happen to believe the days of one great world power are gone. The Chinese are already in far better shape than the US - with a billion people and a solid economy while the US has bankrupted itself through war but the reality is that Russia is returning in strength and India is also coming up - we are actually going to have to get on with each other and recognise we need each other and there is no longer any one power.

Having said that however, the US has been bent on military hegemony for quite some time. Yes, to control oil supplies but also to establish a footprint. Many Americans may not know that the US has more than a dozen military bases in Iraq - the reason for the invasion in the first place - and when the troops get pulled out the mercenaries get sent in. Tens of thousands of private mercenaries were used by the US in its war against Iraq and are still used, there and in Afghanistan. Don't believe me, do the research.

More to the point regarding Iran - the US has 44 military bases surrounding Iraq. There is a map which you can find easily. I will post a link to Juan Cole's site because he has it. So as to Iran being a threat - not likely. Iran has no nuclear weapons. It does have an excellent military and it could not be invaded, occupied or destroyed - hence the plan to ring it with bases - but as to being a threat, ridiculous.

So between the power which Israeli and Jewish lobby groups wield in Washington and the power which the Industrial Arms Complex wields in Washington and the desire of the US to remain a military power, you have the focus on the Middle East where most of the oil is!

Without energy no-one has power and while nuclear power is an increasing reality there is no doubt that oil fuels the military machine and if you control the oil then you are able to retail greater power - however ultimately useless that power may be where, as in the case of the US, a half of your people are living in poverty, your economy is trashed (the Chinese virtually own the US dollar these days) and if you were to use your power to dominate we would all be dead because only nuclear weapons and destroying countries would achieve that end.

The oops factor is it would also destroy the oil so in many ways all of this is a game - but a dangerous game. The Israelis are delusional at best and insane at worst and could do something as stupid as attacking Iran. We could be in a war before we know it.

And at this point it time Americans are the ones with the greatest power to haul their government into line which can then haul Israel into line and bring peace to the Middle East by either forcing the Israelis to negotiate legitimate borders for themselves - a two state solution - although it is probably too late - or force a one-state solution, as you have and we have, where there is equal rights for all - indigenous and colonisers alike.

Adrianne,


You said: The second reason I think we focus on the Middle East is that Israel is a staunch ally and represents American values and stability in a region filled with tyranny, poverty, and inequality. Israel significantly contributes to advancements in the fields of science and medicine, and is the only democracy in the region.

Having spent time in both the US and Israel let me tell you Israel does not represent American values and is one of the most racist and discriminatory countries on the planet.

While both the US and Israel use State sanctioned terror against anyone they define as enemies, the American values as they function in the society are not discriminatory and do offer equal rights for all. Israel discriminates on the basis of religion and is reminiscent of the American South in the first part of the last century - not the modern, democratic nation which the US is.

Don't believe me? Do a search on B'Tselem, Israel's human rights group or Peace Now, an Israeli peace group or any other human rights, peace or justice activist group in Israel. The reality is that more of the truth gets told in Israel than in the US. Then again, Israel could not survive without being bankrolled by the US so there is a reason for that.

You said: We are also supposedly in a global war on terror, regardless of any of our opinions on that subject are, and Israel is probably the most frequent target of Islamic terrorist attacks of any country in the world.

And that is because Israel from its inception has done nothing but target Muslims and use war to maintain its occupation and colonisation of Palestine.

You might also take the time to read reports on the treatment of the Palestinians which have been written by international human rights groups including American and United Nations and then you might understand why so many people in the world, who are not subjected to the US media and its distorted version of the events see things as I do.

It is one thing to be ignorant but it is quite another to justify war on the basis of ignorance. Any responsible citizen needs to know exactly why a war might be waged and the cost involved. 


And on another thread talking about whether or not the US can advise others in terms of human rights:

I don't think the US can champion human rights anymore and has not been able to do so for a long time. Neither can any developed nation, including mine, which places itself as an ally.

Like you I was around in the 60's and 70's when we fought for justice for women - and against the Vietnam War where Australians followed the US lead and entered that unjust and iniquitous war - and looking around now it seems we have gone backwards not forwards and betrayed the principles on which the modern world so perilously now sits.

We support and have supported, through omission and commission, the worst of regimes - the Saudis who are repressive in generally and egregiously repressive toward women; Saddam Hussein even as he gassed the Kurds was still supported and armed by the US; the Israelis who occupy, colonise and oppress the Palestinians ... flouting international law, committing war crimes and the worst of human rights abuses and still calling themselves a democracy; the Chinese as they occupy, colonise and oppress the Tibetans in the same way the Israelis treat the Palestinians and yet who are not as hypocritical as they don't claim to be a democracy; the Egyptian dictator Mubarak - now gone; the Syrian dictator - now being treated as Saddam Hussein was but who was supported by the US and its allies for decades and countless other dictators, tyrants and oppressors of women around the world.

But I think the invasion and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan have put the nail in the coffin of Western 'superiority.' I mean the US and allies actually supported the Taliban (despite their misogynistic beliefs) into government in the first place and then changed their minds because the Taliban would not play 'ball' on the oil pipeline which the US wanted to put through their country. Out with the Taliban and in with Karzai, an ex-oil man who was happy to play 'ball.'

While many people in the West may not be fully aware or at all aware of international self-serving meddling by the West, let's just say, those who have suffered at our hands - and that is hundreds of countries and millions of people - know what we have done and continue to do.

We are morally bankrupt, sadly and the Chinese and those who are happy to ignore enlightened values of human rights etc., must fall about laughing everytime the US or some Western nation tries to dictate to them about human rights. 

We have betrayed the principles of the modern and enlightened world at our peril and rubbed fragile the thin layer of civilization which protects us.










Sunday, February 19, 2012

Blogs, beliefs and bigotry.

You can waste a lot of time on the internet, reading and responding to things you read - or rather I can. Half the time of course no-one reads or cares about what you have written and yet in the process of writing and responding there is satisfaction.

It also is a process of sorting thoughts, theories and beliefs and of absorbing and assessing new information. One of my interests is health and the body-mind connection and I am curious, although I could explain it astrologically, about the growing antipathy - no, the growing hatred- from many in the medical and scientific fraternity in regard to traditional healing methodologies. 

The fury seems mostly directed at homeopathy and acupuncture although these two are shall we say more substantial and developed than other methodologies like colour healing, sound healing or perhaps Reiki to name just a few. I can only conclude, and the language used by the enraged nay-sayers supports this, that it has to be sourced in fear. Where there is outrage there is inrage!

All too often, intelligent, sensible, aware and informed professionals will resort to abuse, name-calling, insults, sarcasm and hyperbole in their bid to discredit such methodologies. We can't know the answer but I could come up with a few psychological theories as to the cause although that would also be dismissed as 'new-age,' or 'whacko' or 'flapdoodle' or any of the other unprofessional terms which they summon up to 'support' their position.


Anyway, this week a 'hater' of homeopathy posted a link for me to an article by Ben Goldacre and I could not help but respond to him. I doubt he will read it of course which is why I decided to post it here - some satisfaction that it might actually cross the cosmos to reach an open mind. Here is what Goldacre wrote about Homeopathy:

The end of homeopathy?

November 16th, 2007 by Ben Goldacre in bad science, homeopathy | 489 Comments »
Time after time, properly conducted scientific studies have proved that homeopathic remedies work no better than simple placebos. So why do so many sensible people swear by them? And why do homeopaths believe they are victims of a smear campaign? Ben Goldacre follows a trail of fudged statistics, bogus surveys and widespread self-deception.
Ben Goldacre
The Guardian
Friday November 16 2007
There are some aspects of quackery that are harmless – childish even – and there are some that are very serious indeed. On Tuesday, to my great delight, the author Jeanette Winterson launched a scientific defence of homeopathy in these pages. She used words such as “nano” meaninglessly, she suggested that there is a role for homeopathy in the treatment of HIV in Africa, and she said that an article in the Lancet today will call on doctors to tell their patients that homeopathic “medicines” offer no benefit.
The article does not say that, and I should know, because I wrote it. It is not an act of fusty authority, and I claim none: I look about 12, and I’m only a few years out of medical school. This is all good fun, but my adamant stance, that I absolutely lack any authority, is key: because this is not about one man’s opinion, and there is nothing even slightly technical or complicated about the evidence on homeopathy, or indeed anything, when it is clearly explained.
And there is the rub. Because Winterson tries to tell us – like every other homeopathy fan – that for some mystical reason, which is never made entirely clear, the healing powers of homeopathic pills are special, and so their benefits cannot be tested like every other pill. This has become so deeply embedded in our culture, by an industry eager to obscure our very understanding of evidence, that even some doctors now believe it.
Enough is enough. Evidence-based medicine is beautiful, elegant, clever and, most of all, important. It is how we know what will kill or cure you. These are biblical themes, and it is ridiculous that what I am going to explain to you now is not taught in schools.
So let’s imagine that we are talking to a fan of homeopathy, one who is both intelligent and reflective. “Look,” they begin, “all I know is that I feel better when I take a homeopathic pill.” OK, you reply. We absolutely accept that. Nobody can take that away from the homeopathy fan.
But perhaps it’s the placebo effect? You both think you know about the placebo effect already, but you are both wrong. The mysteries of the interaction between body and mind are far more complex than can ever be permitted in the crude, mechanistic and reductionist world of the alternative therapist, where pills do all the work.
The placebo response is about far more than the pills – it is about the cultural meaning of a treatment, our expectation, and more. So we know that four sugar pills a day will clear up ulcers quicker than two sugar pills, we know that a saltwater injection is a more effective treatment for pain than a sugar pill, we know that green sugar pills are more effective for anxiety than red, and we know that brand packaging on painkillers increases pain relief.
A baby will respond to its parents’ expectations and behaviour, and the placebo effect is still perfectly valid for children and pets. Placebo pills with no active ingredient can even elicit measurable biochemical responses in humans, and in animals (when they have come to associate the pill with an active ingredient). This is undoubtedly one of the most interesting areas of medical science ever.
“Well, it could be that,” says your honest, reflective homeopathy fan. “I have no way of being certain. But I just don’t think that’s it. All I know is, I get better with homeopathy.”
Ah, now, but could that be because of “regression to the mean“? This is an even more fascinating phenomenon: all things, as the new-agers like to say, have a natural cycle. Your back pain goes up and down over a week, or a month, or a year. Your mood rises and falls. That weird lump in your wrist comes and goes. You get a cold; it gets better.
If you take an ineffective sugar pill, at your sickest, it’s odds on you’re going to get better, in exactly the same way that if you sacrifice a goat, after rolling a double six, your next roll is likely to be lower. That is regression to the mean.
“Well, it could be that,” says the homeopathy fan. “But I just don’t think so. All I know is, I get better with homeopathy.”
How can you both exclude these explanations – since you both need to – and move on from this impasse? Luckily homeopaths have made a very simple, clear claim: they say that the pill they prescribe will make you get better.
You could do a randomised, controlled trial on almost any intervention you wanted to assess: comparing two teaching methods, or two forms of psychotherapy, or two plant-growth boosters – literally anything. The first trial was in the Bible (Daniel 1: 1-16, since you asked) and compared the effect of two different diets on soldiers’ vigour. Doing a trial is not a new or complicated idea, and a pill is the easiest thing to test of all.
Here is a model trial for homeopathy. You take, say, 200 people, and divide them at random into two groups of 100. All of the patients visit their homeopath, they all get a homeopathic prescription at the end (because homeopaths love to prescribe pills even more than doctors) for whatever it is that the homeopath wants to prescribe, and all the patients take their prescription to the homeopathic pharmacy. Every patient can be prescribed something completely different, an “individualised” prescription – it doesn’t matter.
Now here is the twist: one group gets the real homeopathy pills they were prescribed (whatever they were), and the patients in the other group are given fake sugar pills. Crucially, neither the patients, nor the people who meet them in the trial, know who is getting which treatment.
This trial has been done, time and time again, with homeopathy, and when you do a trial like this, you find, overall, that the people getting the placebo sugar pills do just as well as those getting the real, posh, expensive, technical, magical homeopathy pills.
So how come you keep hearing homeopaths saying that there are trials where homeopathy does do better than placebo? This is where it gets properly interesting. This is where we start to see homeopaths, and indeed all alternative therapists more than ever, playing the same sophisticated tricks that big pharma still sometimes uses to pull the wool over the eyes of doctors.
Yes, there are some individual trials where homeopathy does better, first because there are a lot of trials that are simply not “fair tests”. For example – and I’m giving you the most basic examples here – there are many trials in alternative therapy journals where the patients were not “blinded”: that is, the patients knew whether they were getting the real treatment or the placebo. These are much more likely to be positive in favour of your therapy, for obvious reasons. There is no point in doing a trial if it is not a fair test: it ceases to be a trial, and simply becomes a marketing ritual.
There are also trials where it seems patients were not randomly allocated to the “homeopathy” or “sugar pill” groups: these are even sneakier. You should randomise patients by sealed envelopes with random numbers in them, opened only after the patient is fully registered into the trial. Let’s say that you are “randomly allocating” patients by, um, well, the first patient gets homeopathy, then the next patient gets the sugar pills, and so on. If you do that, then you already know, as the person seeing the patient, which treatment they are going to get, before you decide whether or not they are suitable to be recruited into your trial. So a homeopath sitting in a clinic would be able – let’s say unconsciously – to put more sick patients into the sugar pill group, and healthier patients into the homeopathy group, thus massaging the results. This, again, is not a fair test.
Congratulations. You now understand evidence-based medicine to degree level.
So when doctors say that a trial is weak, and poor quality, it’s not because they want to maintain the hegemony, or because they work for “the man”: it’s because a poor trial is simply not a fair test of a treatment. And it’s not cheaper to do a trial badly, it’s just stupid, or, of course, conniving, since unfair tests will give false positives in favour of homeopathy.
Now there are bad trials in medicine, of course, but here’s the difference: in medicine there is a strong culture of critical self-appraisal. Doctors are taught to spot bad research (as I am teaching you now) and bad drugs. The British Medical Journal recently published a list of the top three most highly accessed and referenced studies from the past year, and they were on, in order: the dangers of the anti-inflammatory Vioxx; the problems with the antidepressant paroxetine; and the dangers of SSRI antidepressants in general. This is as it should be.
With alternative therapists, when you point out a problem with the evidence, people don’t engage with you about it, or read and reference your work. They get into a huff. They refuse to answer calls or email queries. They wave their hands and mutter sciencey words such as “quantum” and “nano”. They accuse you of being a paid plant from some big pharma conspiracy. They threaten to sue you. They shout, “What about thalidomide, science boy?”, they cry, they call you names, they hold lectures at their trade fairs about how you are a dangerous doctor, they contact and harass your employer, they try to dig up dirt from your personal life, or they actually threaten you with violence (this has all happened to me, and I’m compiling a great collection of stories for a nice documentary, so do keep it coming).
But back to the important stuff. Why else might there be plenty of positive trials around, spuriously? Because of something called “publication bias“. In all fields of science, positive results are more likely to get published, because they are more newsworthy, there’s more mileage in publishing them for your career, and they’re more fun to write up. This is a problem for all of science. Medicine has addressed this problem, making people register their trial before they start, on a “clinical trials database“, so that you cannot hide disappointing data and pretend it never happened.
How big is the problem of publication bias in alternative medicine? Well now, in 1995, only 1% of all articles published in alternative medicine journals gave a negative result. The most recent figure is 5% negative. This is very, very low.
There is only one conclusion you can draw from this observation. Essentially, when a trial gives a negative result, alternative therapists, homeopaths or the homeopathic companies simply do not publish it. There will be desk drawers, box files, computer folders, garages, and back offices filled with untouched paperwork on homeopathy trials that did not give the result the homeopaths wanted. At least one homeopath reading this piece will have a folder just like that, containing disappointing, unpublished data that they are keeping jolly quiet about. Hello there!
Now, you could just pick out the positive trials, as homeopaths do, and quote only those. This is called “cherry picking” the literature – it is not a new trick, and it is dishonest, because it misrepresents the totality of the literature. There is a special mathematical tool called a “meta-analysis“, where you take all the results from all the studies on one subject, and put the figures into one giant spreadsheet, to get the most representative overall answer. When you do this, time and time again, and you exclude the unfair tests, and you account for publication bias, you find, in all homeopathy trials overall, that homeopathy does no better than placebos.
The preceding paragraphs took only three sentences in my brief Lancet piece, although only because that readership didn’t need to be told what a meta-analysis is. Now, here is the meat. Should we even care, I asked, if homeopathy is no better than placebo? Because the strange answer is, maybe not.
Let me tell you about a genuine medical conspiracy to suppress alternative therapies. During the 19th-century cholera epidemic, death rates at the London Homeopathic Hospital were three times lower than at the Middlesex Hospital. Homeopathic sugar pills won’t do anything against cholera, of course, but the reason for homeopathy’s success in this epidemic is even more interesting than the placebo effect: at the time, nobody could treat cholera. So, while hideous medical treatments such as blood-letting were actively harmful, the homeopaths’ treatments at least did nothing either way.
Today, similarly, there are often situations where people want treatment, but where medicine has little to offer – lots of back pain, stress at work, medically unexplained fatigue, and most common colds, to give just a few examples. Going through a theatre of medical treatment, and trying every medication in the book, will give you only side-effects. A sugar pill in these circumstances seems a very sensible option.
But just as homeopathy has unexpected benefits, so it can have unexpected side-effects. Prescribing a pill carries its own risks: it medicalises problems, it can reinforce destructive beliefs about illness, and it can promote the idea that a pill is an appropriate response to a social problem, or a modest viral illness.
But there are also ethical problems. In the old days, just 50 years ago, “communication skills” at medical school consisted of how not to tell your patient they had terminal cancer. Now doctors are very open and honest with their patients. When a healthcare practitioner of any description prescribes a pill that they know full well is no more effective than a placebo – without disc losing that fact to their patient – then they trample all over some very important modern ideas, such as getting informed consent from your patient, and respecting their autonomy.
Sure, you could argue that it might be in a patient’s interest to lie to them, and I think there is an interesting discussion to be had here, but at least be aware that this is the worst kind of old-fashioned, Victorian doctor paternalism: and ultimately, when you get into the habit of misleading people, that undermines the relationship between all doctors and patients, which is built on trust, and ultimately honesty. If, on the other hand, you prescribe homeopathy pills, but you don’t know that they perform any better than placebo in trials, then you are not familiar with the trial literature, and you are therefore incompetent to prescribe them. These are fascinating ethical problems, and yet I have never once found a single homeopath discussing them.
There are also more concrete harms. It’s routine marketing practice for homeopaths to denigrate mainstream medicine. There’s a simple commercial reason for this: survey data show that a disappointing experience with mainstream medicine is almost the only factor that regularly correlates with choosing alternative therapies. That’s an explanation, but not an excuse. And this is not just talking medicine down. One study found that more than half of all the homeopaths approached advised patients against the MMR vaccine for their children, acting irresponsibly on what will quite probably come to be known as the media’s MMR hoax.
How did the alternative therapy world deal with this concerning finding, that so many among them were quietly undermining the vaccination schedule? Prince Charles’s office tried to have the lead researcher sacked.
A BBC Newsnight investigation found that almost all the homeopaths approached recommended ineffective homeopathic pills to protect against malaria, and advised against medical malaria prophylactics, while not even giving basic advice on bite prevention. Very holistic. Very “complementary”. Any action against the homeopaths concerned? None.
And in the extreme, when they’re not undermining public-health campaigns and leaving their patients exposed to fatal diseases, homeopaths who are not medically qualified can miss fatal diagnoses, or actively disregard them, telling their patients grandly to stop their inhalers, and throw away their heart pills. The Society of Homeopaths is holding a symposium on the treatment of Aids, featuring the work of Peter Chappell, a man who claims to have found a homeopathic solution to the epidemic. We reinforce all of this by collectively humouring homeopaths’ healer fantasies, and by allowing them to tell porkies about evidence.
And what porkies. Somehow, inexplicably, a customer satisfaction survey from a homeopathy clinic is promoted in the media as if it trumps a string of randomised trials. No wonder the public find it hard to understand medical research. Almost every time you read about a “trial” in the media, it is some bogus fish oil “trial” that isn’t really a “trial”, or a homeopath waving their hands about, because the media finds a colourful quack claim more interesting than genuine, cautious, bland, plodding medical research.
By pushing their product relentlessly with this scientific flim-flam, homeopaths undermine the public understanding of what it means to have an evidence base for a treatment. Worst of all, they do this at the very time when academics are working harder than ever to engage the public in a genuine collective ownership and understanding of clinical research, and when most good doctors are trying to educate and involve their patients in the selection of difficult treatment options. This is not a nerdy point. This is vital.
Here is the strangest thing. Every single criticism I have made could easily be managed with clear and open discussion of the problems. But homoeopaths have walled themselves off from the routine cut-and-thrust of academic medicine, and reasoned critique is all too often met with anger, shrieks of persecution and avoidance rather than argument. The Society of Homeopaths (the largest professional body in Europe, the ones running that frightening conference on HIV) have even threatened to sue bloggers who criticise them. The university courses on homeopathy that I and others have approached have flatly refused to provide basic information, such as what they teach and how. It’s honestly hard to think of anything more unhealthy in an academic setting.
This is exactly what I said, albeit in nerdier academic language, in today’s edition of the Lancet, Britain’s biggest medical journal. These views are what homeopaths are describing as an “attack”. But I am very clear. There is no single right way to package up all of this undeniable and true information into a “view” on homeopathy.
When I’m feeling generous, I think: homeopathy could have value as placebo, on the NHS even, although there are ethical considerations, and these serious cultural side-effects to be addressed.
But when they’re suing people instead of arguing with them, telling people not to take their medical treatments, killing patients, running conferences on HIV fantasies, undermining the public’s understanding of evidence and, crucially, showing absolutely no sign of ever being able to engage in a sensible conversation about the perfectly simple ethical and cultural problems that their practice faces, I think: these people are just morons. I can’t help that: I’m human. The facts are sacred, but my view on them changes from day to day.
And the only people who could fix me in one camp or the other, now, are the homeopaths themselves.
It doesn’t all add up …
The ‘science’ behind homeopathy
Homeopathic remedies are made by taking an ingredient, such as arsenic, and diluting it down so far that there is not a single molecule left in the dose that you get. The ingredients are selected on the basis of like cures like, so that a substance that causes sweating at normal doses, for example, would be used to treat sweating.
Many people confuse homeopathy with herbalism and do not realise just how far homeopathic remedies are diluted. The typical dilution is called “30C”: this means that the original substance has been diluted by 1 drop in 100, 30 times. On the Society of Homeopaths site, in their “What is homeopathy?” section, they say that “30C contains less than 1 part per million of the original substance.”
This is an understatement: a 30C homeopathic preparation is a dilution of 1 in 100^30, or rather 1 in 10^60, which means a 1 followed by 60 zeroes, or – let’s be absolutely clear – a dilution of 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000.
To phrase that in the Society of Homeopaths’ terms, we should say: “30C contains less than one part per million million million million million million million million million million of the original substance.”
At a homeopathic dilution of 100C, which they sell routinely, and which homeopaths claim is even more powerful than 30C, the treating substance is diluted by more than the total number of atoms in the universe. Homeopathy was invented before we knew what atoms were, or how many there are, or how big they are. It has not changed its belief system in light of this information.
How can an almost infinitely dilute solution cure anything? Most homeopaths claim that water has “a memory”. They are unclear what this would look like, and homeopaths’ experiments claiming to demonstrate it are frequently bizarre. As a brief illustration, American magician and debunker James Randi has for many years had a $1m prize on offer for anyone who can demonstrate paranormal abilities. He has made it clear that this cheque would go to someone who can reliably distinguish a homeopathic dilution from water. His money remains unclaimed.
Many homeopaths also claim they can transmit homeopathic remedies over the internet, in CDs, down the telephone, through a computer, or in a piece of music. Peter Chappell, whose work will feature at a conference organised by the Society of Homeopaths next month, makes dramatic claims about his ability to solve the Aids epidemic using his own homeopathic pills called “PC Aids”, and his specially encoded music. “Right now,” he says, “Aids in Africa could be significantly ameliorated by a simple tune played on the radio.
· Ben Goldacre is a doctor and writes the Bad Science column in the Guardian. 

And here is what I would say in response, pointless as it may be given how closed minds are in the anti-camp:
 
Goldacre says:  Evidence-based medicine is beautiful, elegant, clever and, most of all, important. It is how we know what will kill or cure you. These are biblical themes, and it is ridiculous that what I am going to explain to you now is not taught in schools.

Except there is a growing school of thought that evidence-based medicine is deeply flawed so he is operating from an erroneous premise.
http://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/handle/10092/1782.

But to go through some other points Goldacre makes:

He says: Ah, now, but could that be because of “regression to the mean“? This is an even more fascinating phenomenon: all things, as the new-agers like to say, have a natural cycle. Your back pain goes up and down over a week, or a month, or a year. Your mood rises and falls. That weird lump in your wrist comes and goes. You get a cold; it gets better.

‘all things, as the new-agers like to say, have a natural cycle.’ The term new-agers demonstrates prejudice and the term in its use here  has derogatory connotations. In fact doctors and scientists, not to mention farmers, nurses, hospital and prison administrators etc., also recognise ‘natural cycles.’

If you take an ineffective sugar pill, at your sickest, it’s odds on you’re going to get better, in exactly the same way that if you sacrifice a goat, after rolling a double six, your next roll is likely to be lower. That is regression to the mean.

Ignoring yet more childish sarcasm in terms of goats and dice, homeopathy doesn’t actually work this way. And in fact homeopathy does not work on regression to the mean nor on natural cycles. Everything is important in homeopathy in terms of trying to understand what is at work in the body. The back pain, the mood, the cold, the weird lump in the wrist - the mere fact they appear means something.  And the art to diagnosis is establishing what that something is.

Homeopathic treatments are slow and it can be weeks or months before improvement is noticed.The process involves extensive communications between patient and practitioner in order to find the remedy which best fits the need.

It is for this reason that Allopathy may be the best choice in a crisis and Homeopathy may be the best choice for maintaining optimum health and working with conditions which allow time.

He said: How can you both exclude these explanations – since you both need to – and move on from this impasse? Luckily homeopaths have made a very simple, clear claim: they say that the pill they prescribe will make you get better.

Again he demonstrates he has no idea how homeopathy works. Homeopaths do not say the pill they prescribe will make you get better.  They say the right pill will help the body to heal itself, or trigger the natural healing ability of the body. However, this process of healing can take time but homeopathy is a slow healing process. An initial homeopathic consultation takes a couple of hours and most consultations take one to one and a half hours.

He said: Here is a model trial for homeopathy. You take, say, 200 people, and divide them at random into two groups of 100. All of the patients visit their homeopath, they all get a homeopathic prescription at the end (because homeopaths love to prescribe pills even more than doctors) for whatever it is that the homeopath wants to prescribe, and all the patients take their prescription to the homeopathic pharmacy. Every patient can be prescribed something completely different, an “individualised” prescription – it doesn’t matter.

There are studies which show homeopathy work,   http://www.zeusinfoservice.com/TruthAboutHomeopathy.html:

In the past 24 years there have been more than 180 controlled, and 118 randomized, trials into homeopathy, which were analysed by four separate meta-analyses.  In each case, the researchers concluded that the benefits of homeopathy went far beyond that which could be explained purely by the placebo effect.  Another meta-analysis found that 65 of the 89 trials analysed had produced an effect way beyond placebo (source WDDTY www.wddty.co.uk )  

A study of 6500 patients at the Bristol Homeopathic hospital was conducted showing that over 70% of patients reported complete cure or significant improvement of their symptoms.  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/4454856.stm 
  
Actually homeopaths don’t like to prescribe pills more than doctors. Homeopathic treatments work slowly – one pill can be efficacious for months, and continue to heal and to demonstrate a healing capacity a year later. Homeopathic remedies trigger the natural healing ability of the body. Doctors on the other hand prescribe pills which need to be taken for weeks, months, years or life.

He said: This trial has been done, time and time again, with homeopathy, and when you do a trial like this, you find, overall, that the people getting the placebo sugar pills do just as well as those getting the real, posh, expensive, technical, magical homeopathy pills.

Apart from the fact that the sarcasm is dripping from this with the use of real, posh, expensive, technical, magical etc., he demonstrates again he has no idea what he is talking about. Homeopathic treatments are not expensive, they are not posh – one of the places where homeopathy is most used is India where the majority of the population are incredibly poor – they are not magical, but yes, they are technical, there have been trials done which clearly demonstrate the efficacy of homeopathy. It is just that Goldacre and his ilk ignore them.

Now there are bad trials in medicine, of course, but here’s the difference: in medicine there is a strong culture of critical self-appraisal. Doctors are taught to spot bad research (as I am teaching you now) and bad drugs.

Homeopaths do the work before the remedy is accepted for use. In addition homeopathic remedies do not kill you or have you in hospital. Allopathic medicine and Pharmaceuticals both kill and hospitalise – hundreds of thousands and possibly millions worldwide every year.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/aug2006_report_death_01.htm

He said: With alternative therapists, when you point out a problem with the evidence, people don’t engage with you about it, or read and reference your work.

Yes they do read and reference, constantly but are no doubt put off by the hyperbole and insults.

He said:  They get into a huff. They refuse to answer calls or email queries. They wave their hands and mutter sciencey words such as “quantum” and “nano”.

Then he is talking to the wrong homeopaths. There are plenty of doctors who would do the same. You just find someone qualified to talk to. As a journalist I know how to do this. If Goldacre wants to be a journalist he should find out how to do it.

He said: There is only one conclusion you can draw from this observation. Essentially, when a trial gives a negative result, alternative therapists, homeopaths or the homeopathic companies simply do not publish it. There will be desk drawers, box files, computer folders, garages, and back offices filled with untouched paperwork on homeopathy trials that did not give the result the homeopaths wanted. At least one homeopath reading this piece will have a folder just like that, containing disappointing, unpublished data that they are keeping jolly quiet about. Hello there!

Any responsible sub-editor would have demanded Goldacre provide evidence for this claim or deleted the paragraph. He has taken generalisations to an art form! Impressive sarcasm and bigotry, but not responsible journalism, science or medicine.

He said: Now, you could just pick out the positive trials, as homeopaths do, and quote only those.

Again, any responsible sub-editor would have said substantiate this generalisation which has the millions of homeopaths around the world classified as dishonest.

He said: This is called “cherry picking” the literature – it is not a new trick, and it is dishonest, because it misrepresents the totality of the literature.

Unsubstantiated generalisations are also dishonest and irresponsible and sloppy and immature. They are also, when combined with sarcasm which defames an entire group, unprofessional.

He said:  There is a special mathematical tool called a “meta-analysis“, where you take all the results from all the studies on one subject, and put the figures into one giant spreadsheet, to get the most representative overall answer. When you do this, time and time again, and you exclude the unfair tests, and you account for publication bias, you find, in all homeopathy trials overall, that homeopathy does no better than placebos.

Actually there are meta-analysis studies which show the efficacy of Homeopathy but it is also important to take into consideration that Meta-analysis as a process of assessment is deeply flawed.  Meta-analysis is a relatively new system of analysing data. It is frequently criticised both by doctors, administrators and scientists for its failings.

http://www.improvingmedicalstatistics.com/Meta%20Beware%20gifts.htm

He said: There are also more concrete harms. It’s routine marketing practice for homeopaths to denigrate mainstream medicine.

Actually it is not. Homeopaths recognise the limitations of allopathic medicine but also recognise its strengths.

He said:  One study found that more than half of all the homeopaths approached advised patients against the MMR vaccine for their children, acting irresponsibly on what will quite probably come to be known as the media’s MMR hoax.


 
And the Society of Homeopaths states quite clearly ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1128894/ ... they do not advise against vaccination.  The 'study' can only be understood or assessed properly if one knows who funded it, who carried it out, how did they select homeopaths and what questions did they ask?

If they were posing as concerned parents and asked for views on MMR then no doubt they would have gotten a Homeopathic view on the negatives and positives of vaccination - if they had seen a qualified and responsible Homeopath that is.  But never let facts get in the way of a good prejudice let alone a good story!

He said: A BBC Newsnight investigation found that almost all the homeopaths approached recommended ineffective homeopathic pills to protect against malaria, and advised against medical malaria prophylactics, while not even giving basic advice on bite prevention. Very holistic. Very “complementary”. Any action against the homeopaths concerned? None.

A Newsnight investigation is hardly going to be rigorous or responsible. I am fascinated with the comment about not giving advice on bite prevention. What questions were asked? Of whom? By whom? What was the reporter’s brief? I doubt it was to find out if homeopathy advice on malaria was effective. 

 There is a solid argument against taking medical malaria prophylactics as anyone who spends time in malarial zones and does the research knows. These drugs often disguise the disease symptoms and you can die, while taking the drugs, because you do not know until too late you are sick. When I first went to malarial zones this was the advice a doctor gave me!
 
Homeopathics can certainly help to keep the body strong and balanced which certainly mitigates against malaria. More to the point, if you go to see a surgeon he or she will talk about surgery as a treatment because that is what they do and if you go to see a homeopath he or she will talk about homeopathy because that is what they do.


He said: And in the extreme, when they’re not undermining public-health campaigns and leaving their patients exposed to fatal diseases, homeopaths who are not medically qualified can miss fatal diagnoses, or actively disregard them, telling their patients grandly to stop their inhalers, and throw away their heart pills.

This is such an egregious generalisation it is indicative not of evidence but of prejudice. No reputable homeopath would be so cavalier. One begins to wonder if Goldacre has ever met a qualified and responsible homeopath or read any of the literature from the highly respected homeopathic organisations around the world. Probably not because that would compromise his ‘argument.’
 
I have been using homeopathy for decades and find it invaluable. I have also been reading and researching it for decades. I have seen homeopaths around Australia, in Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, Brisbane and in Vancouver, Johannesburg, Cape Town, London, Antwerp and have never met one who decried allopathic medicine or who was not balanced in advice they gave, including the need at times to utilise Allopathy.

I can only be curious as to why Goldacre with all his 'rigorous' research has never been able to find a responsible, and by the sound of it, qualified homeopath when I have found it so easy. Then again, we tend to find exactly what we expect, hope or decide to find.

And he cites the magician Randi while demanding that he be seen as a responsible, objective professional. Randi is a retired magician, that's right, a magician, someone who practises the art of illusion as a professional and he has made a niche for himself in retirement, as a 'debunker' of Traditional Healing Methodologies.  One thing Randi has not been able to make disappear is Homeopathy.

http://www.naturalnews.com/034208_homeopathy_James_Randi.html
He said: Here is the strangest thing. Every single criticism I have made could easily be managed with clear and open discussion of the problems.

It is not the least bit strange for any rational and reasonable person.  In truth he is the one who is  not open to a clear discussion. His language is hyperbolic, defamatory, sarcastic, derogatory, derisive, insulting and he wonders why people do not want to talk to him. It is because he presents as a bigot and sensationalist who has no interest whatsoever in making any kind of reasoned, rational, professional, scientific assessment of traditional healing methodologies – why would you bother talking to him.

The reality is that his ranting, raging and fuming will make no difference to the fact that homeopathy works and its use is growing around the world. As a doctor Goldacre should welcome a healing methodology which does no harm and which seeks to treat the person as well as the patient.

The extreme nature of his hatred of homeopathy and other such methodologies, as so often demonstrated in his writing, is at odds with how he paints himself – rational, reasonable, responsible, professional. And clearly he is at odds with himself having written that, to paraphrase, he is not so bothered with homeopathy because it is harmless - after all it is just sugar - and yet here he is accusing homeopaths of killing people.
He said: But when they’re suing people instead of arguing with them, telling people not to take their medical treatments, killing patients, running conferences on HIV fantasies, undermining the public’s understanding of evidence and, crucially, showing absolutely no sign of ever being able to engage in a sensible conversation about the perfectly simple ethical and cultural problems that their practice faces, I think: these people are just morons. I can’t help that: I’m human. The facts are sacred, but my view on them changes from day to day.

Calling people morons and saying things about them which to most homeopaths and those who use homeopathy are quite simply not true, just makes Goldacre look unprofessional and prejudiced.

There is a saying, that which we condemn in others is that which we deny in ourselves. Goldacre has created in homeopathy his nemesis when in truth, the only sacred facts, are that his extreme position reflects on him, not homeopathy. 

He said: Many homeopaths also claim they can transmit homeopathic remedies over the internet, in CDs, down the telephone, through a computer, or in a piece of music. Peter Chappell, whose work will feature at a conference organised by the Society of Homeopaths next month, makes dramatic claims about his ability to solve the Aids epidemic using his own homeopathic pills called “PC Aids”, and his specially encoded music. “Right now,” he says, “Aids in Africa could be significantly ameliorated by a simple tune played on the radio.


Goldacre may well be right in rejecting Chappell's views or he may well be wrong with his opinion sourced in the limited understanding which science and medicine have of this world, the human body and healing. We all know vibration is involved in sound and music and therefore anyone with an understanding of homeopathy can see this could be possible. That is not to say it is possible, but it could be.

More to the point, and Goldacre probably does not know this either but, living in Africa as I do, I know that one of the most powerful methods of traditional healing on the continent involves the use of sound and music. I suspect Goldacre would reject and ridicule traditional African healing methods as well but then something else he probably does not know and might not want to know is that it is common in Africa for practitioners of allopathic medicine, or what we call conventional or modern medicine to work with practitioners of traditional medicine because they find it gives optimum outcomes.

Where I take issue with the Goldacres of the world is that they pose as 'knowing it all' and present themselves as 'trying to save the average idiot from themselves' when in fact they operate from a position of egregious bias and prejudice. If Goldacre really cared about integrity in healing and really cared for the welfare of people then he would remain open to all options and he would have no need to ridicule and defame other healing methodologies which do work, and work extremely well, despite his ragings.

The use of Traditional Healing Methodologies is growing strongly around the world, sourced both in a growing awareness that the body is more than a machine and the failures of Allopathy, and Homeopathy, Traditional Chinese Medicine, Acupuncture and Rieki are practised by hospitals, doctors and nurses.

What matters at the end of the day is healing and why Goldacre has placed himself as a 'medical and scientific Luddite' has more to do with him than it has to do with the healing methodologies which do so much good and, compared to Allopathy, where hundreds of thousands of people die or are hospitalised through iatrogenic (doctor induced) causes, every year, so little harm.





And lastly and probably least, he is also patronising and plays at 'I am knowledgeable doctor and scientist informing you lesser beings.'

Comments like -
This is exactly what I said, albeit in nerdier academic language for the lancet - are another way of saying, I have put my argument into simpler terms which you less qualified (less intelligent) masses can understand, and remember I am a doctor and I write for the Lancet or ... Congratulations. You now understand evidence-based medicine to degree level ...which really means, if you try hard you can understand what I, from my lofty position in science and medicine is trying to tell you.

A good sub-editor would have politely suggested that patronising your reader comes across as arrogant and ego-driven and the same thing could be said in a more diplomatic way, or perhaps, not even said at all - hit delete!

Methinks he protests too much!  My sense is that Goldacre is actually someone who cares and who is frustrated by the failures and flaws in modern medicine - which he also attacks, but more rationally than he does other healing methodologies.

He projects his rage onto an 'easy target' for this largely materialist world because he can. No doubt he has made a name for himself as something of a 'high priest' for the religion of scientism and materialist medicine. He is clearly intelligent, committed and passionate and could achieve much. He wants to do good, to help, to inform and there is nothing wrong with that. It not so much the What but the How which is wrong.

Traditional Healing Methodologies like all healing methodologies should be subjected to  professional, objective, careful and reasoned study - they should be held accountable - it is what the professionals in the various methodologies also want. But Goldacre does not help his cause for accountability, nor make a case for his position because he so often resorts to ridicule and hyperbole. If he truly believed in his case or felt he had the substance to support his position, he would not feel the need to do this.


Perhaps he is not sure if he wants to be a journalist, or a doctor, or a scientist and so he spreads himself thinly across all three and diminishes his abilities in the doing.
The intensity of his attacks speak more of his own frustrations than the failings of Traditional Healing Methodologies.

The biggest pity is that we need people like him and demonstrating bias dilutes his credibility, as does resorting to sarcasm and insults. Sadly his column, Bad Science, is aptly named - but for all the wrong reasons and not in the way he intended.

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